Thread: No Flap landing

Hi every one , I just like to know with no flap shod I add a litter power to control better the CTLS or just live it on idle?Shut I just leave some power on . I just notice that if The CTLS w/ no flap at idle is kind of hard to land.

You can do it either way. The easiest and maybe the most consistently soft is with power. I use 2800 with zero flaps when I'm solo and 3000 when I am really heavy. The use of power will give you a better feeling of control especially in windy conditions. You can do it no power if you like. I approach at 60 right to round out then hold it steady and let it land. Don't be in a hurry to get the wheels on the ground. It will land when it's ready.

60 Kts? My CFI say that I have to stay at 75 Kts! maybe that is why the airplane want to keep flying. I am doing very good on the

Landing I just need to know if is a better way to do a more softly landing.

I use 65 knots until over the numbers and no power to land at -6 degrees. This is done only when in "high" winds. This speed gives me plenty of time to round out and feel the crosswind corrections before running out of energy and flying it on for the touchdown. If you try to hold if off as long as possible at -6 you can touch the tail boom. But the cost of this strategy is you touch down at a higher speed, which stresses our poor little tires.

BTW my standard landing is now flaps 15 and 55 knots short final, although for the first 100 hours it was flaps 0 at 60 knots. (I am still learning, at 450 hours in light sport, how to finesse the higher flap settings.) When I let cessna/piper drivers fly I have them use the flaps 0 approach as this makes things more familiar to them. I have found that the flaps 0 landing also works better when heavy with an aft center of gravity, although again the cost is a higher touchdown speed for those poor little tires.

I am sensitive to the poor little tires, even though I have upgraded them, because I have experienced two flats in 235 hours.

WF

you would need a looooong runway at 75 kts im used to landing in 350mts 75 kts would make it go by a bit quick

Cheers Mike

Vs1 = stall speed @ zero flaps

Vs1 = 42KCAS

1.3 X Vs1 = 54.6 Kts

54.6 Kts + 1/2 gust factor = approach speed

60 kts is fast for zero flaps, 75 kts is screaming

Normal landing for me is 30 flaps @ 50 kts.
Bit of crosswind 15 flaps @ 55 kts.
Quite a bit of Xwind 0 flaps @55 kts.

Anything faster than 60 kts is waaaayyyy too fast.

Person saying 75 kts should send his instructor to conversion training because that is a speed that is not even safe to land.

Just do the math with your stall speed of 35 to 37 kts!! and that should give you a reference of a landings speed between 47 kts to 58 kts.

If in doubt always check the flight manual and you will see what it says there.

Originally Posted by CharlieTango

60 kts is fast for zero flaps, 75 kts is screaming

60 isn't that bad for over the fence if there are some gusts, but yes, with 75 kt, you're going to float for a long ways. Remember that the aircraft is clean with the flaps up.

Doug

Tell your CFI to go get some training. GA CFI's that have not spent a lot of time in a CT or a light LSA's usually give bad advice because they want to fly a light clean plane like the old heavy dirty plane. The LSA's are not like the GA aircraft and shouldn't be flown the same.
If he was worth his salt the first time up he would have gone out and found out where the plane stalls at all flap settings so he could manage slow flight and given accurate advise on landings and stayed out of trouble in windy landing configurations.

I recently changed instructors and we've gone from 60 knots to 55 over the fence. This was after several tests to determine our indicated stall speed both in free air and ground effect. Understand that this is for no gusts and extra speed will be carried when gusts are present. 55 knots will slow down the whole landing process and let you place the little plane where you want it with minimal wear and tear. BTW, my instructor says that at 55 knots, it lands just like the old Luscombe silver 8 that he learned on.